Prabhupāda: Otherwise he is not my disciple.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, he's not. He didn't chant sixteen rounds.
Prabhupāda: India also, there are selected... Morarji Desai is anxious to see me.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, whenever your name is brought up, he feels, "Yes, I want to meet him."
Prabhupāda: And the cabinet minister... But they are in prestigious position. They do not come here. They want me to go to them. I could have come, but in this position...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, and, you know, if your health improves a little, what we may be able to do is to arrange a program in our center in Delhi simply for the selected persons like cabinet ministers, or maybe at one of their homes, and have them invite just the cabinet members and Mr. Desai, and that would be very nice, very high-level meeting. That could be... You know, just like supposing when you go to Bombay, you'll have to stay in Delhi overnight. So on that evening we can make an arrangement like that.
Prabhupāda: Or we can stay in Delhi. No fault.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: One or two days. Probably you wouldn't be able to speak to all of them 'cause they're not all in the station at once, but even if a few of them came, it would be very good.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Very meaningful.
Prabhupāda: We shall go now?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, I think you could. (break)
Prabhupāda: Whether you have studied, and his proposal is, some money can be saved. The present management is going on, and if he takes little care... You said up to thirteen thousand?
Akṣayānanda: Right.
Prabhupāda: Can be saved. So why not let him do and let us see practically? If some money is saved, it is very... So you remain as president. How he manages, how he saves, you see. What do you think?
Akṣayānanda: Yes. First-class.
Prabhupāda: So is that all right?
Mr. Myer: Really, the fact is that the excess of expenditure is only (indistinct) thousand. So what... There are two positions we have to take. One is to increase the revenue, and one is also to curb our expenditure. These are two ways.
Prabhupāda: What is that? Come here.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He says in order to make that money, you have to do two things. One is decrease the expenses, minimize the expenses, and also maximize collections. Right now...
Prabhupāda: Maximize collect... If you increase collection, that money comes, extra.
Mr. Myer: Yes.
Prabhupāda: But by decreasing expenditure, you save money. That is real saving.
Mr. Myer: No, (indistinct) rupees is not the savings. At present the excess in expenditure only will come, as it stands now. So we have to find a regular means. It's very possible if some of the...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He's saying that whatever the case is, more money is being spent here than is being made.
Prabhupāda: So save it. First of all save it. More money, to increase, that is not difficult for us. We go to beg, "Please give us." We can get.
Akṣayānanda: So the idea is to save it.
Prabhupāda: Real thing is how to save it. In business circle they say, "To earn money is not difficult, but to spend money is difficult." That is intelligence. To earn money is not difficult because we do not earn. Whatever Kṛṣṇa gives, we take it. But if Kṛṣṇa's money is not squandered, misspent, that is intelligence. So we have to see first of all present... I know that. So much money is squandered. Just like the other day. To secure one eye glass... It is four annas' worth. We have spent at least twenty rupees. In this way our money is being squandered.
Mr. Myer: Actually, as you said the other day very rightly, what is really important now is to try and make things very common, you know, as Prabhupāda says...
Prabhupāda: To earn money, to bring money, is not difficult for us, but whatever money is being spent, if we can save money, that is intelligence.
Mr. Myer: Fortunately this is end of the year, so we can make a budget also from the first of this month.
Prabhupāda: No, no, whatever it may be, I want to see that, how the money is being saved. So far earning money, I can earn, even sitting here.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, I was just seeing today...
Prabhupāda: That is not problem.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...that you're just sitting here in Vṛndāvana, but every month you're getting ten thousand rupees.
Prabhupāda: And if I ask...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Without asking.
Prabhupāda: If I ask, I can get more money.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I was just looking today, and I noticed, every month, at least ten thousand rupees.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Therefore I say... It is practical. To earn money is not difficult, at least for me. But to save money is difficult thing, because that is not in my hand. So let us see how much money we save. Increase the income, that we can do. And there is no problem. I think this is a maxim that "To earn money is not difficult. To save money is difficult." Whatever property we have now made, Kṛṣṇa has given us. But now, to maintain this, to save this prestigious position, that is difficult. Little mismanagement, there may be so many difficulties. You are a businessman, so he knows very well.
Mr. Myer: Sir, I'm going to sit down with Mahārāja and give him a very nice progress in the evening, all the time knowing, day-to-day working, each year...
Prabhupāda: No, you can... You can do.
Mr. Myer: I'm sure Mahārāja, if he likes it, I will try to develop.
Prabhupāda: He'll not interfere.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda says you can do.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He'll not interfere.
Akṣayānanda: That should be very nice.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Akṣayānanda: That's very good.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Akṣayānanda: He's very experienced.
Prabhupāda: Yes. I started this movement with forty rupees. You know that Scindia Steam Navigation Company?
Mr. Myer: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So they gave me a free ticket, and the government allowed me to take with me, forty rupees. In this state, condition, I started for New York. You see? No friend, no secre..., no hotel, nothing, arrangement. This was the beginning. Then I went there. So I do not know how it happened. Now we have got forty crores. It is all Kṛṣṇa's mercy. I never expected that my books will be sold and appreciated all over the world. So that is being done. People are appreciating the whole movement. Even in our country our government, it has come to their notice, cabinet ministers. So my point of view was that in Delhi there is a confectioner's shop. You had been in Delhi?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Do you go to Delhi sometimes?
Mr. Myer: Yes, I will...
Prabhupāda: There is a street, Loiya Bazaar. So there is a Punjabi's shop. He makes all preparation, first-class ghee. So whenever I used to pass that area, at least fifty customers are waiting. Somebody wanting something, somebody wanting something. That gave me the impression that if you have goods genuine, customer will come. If your dealing is straightforward and the goods are nice. So, so many religious institution and missionary and other, they are all over the world. Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mission, substantial, genuine, so why this will not be appreciated if we present properly? So I fought on that, and some way or other it is successful.