Jyotirmayī: We saw that in India the people are not chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, now very poor, now dying of anger, oh, hunger, but there is those who are very rich, they are not religious at all. They do not chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, but are very rich and they enjoy very much.
Prabhupāda: Yes, but those who are chanting, they are not dying (laughter). I am Indian. I am not dying.
Guest: I am Indian. I am coming from Calcutta, from the (indistinct). I am seeing every day. This is the first time...
Prabhupāda: But you do not know who are chanting.
Guest: Yes I know, I went...
Prabhupāda: No, that's not, that I cannot accept.
Guest: Yes, yes.
Prabhupāda: Those who are chanting, we have got branch in Calcutta, in Māyāpur, in Bombay, in Vṛndāvana. None of our devotees are dying.
Guest: But I regret to say that in Māyāpur, in Navadvīpa also I saw there poor people dying.
Prabhupāda: Uh huh. You...
Guest: ...myself constructing...
Prabhupāda: So you simply inspect all the persons who are dying. You do not see who are living. (break) ...were in India, I asked the people here, we have got so many devotees in Europe, who is dying? Nobody is dying. It is simply propaganda.
Guest: I know nothing about Europe. This is the first time I'm coming to Europe, I know the problem. I was always in...
Prabhupāda: But you are wrong informed. You are talking from Europe about India.